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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 17, 2011 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musical clarity, simplicity, and Garcia's late 60s improvisational style

Do you think he was better in 1976 vs 1981? I'm not sure I agree, but what is our definition of better? I'll throw out a few examples that I can think of:

1) I believe his Jazz playing was much better in Reconstruction than it was with Legion of Mary (I really dont even think it's close).

2) I've always thought the 2nd Europe tour from 1981 showcased Jerry in a highly creative and technical manner, perhaps on par with the great playing in summer of 1974.

3) His playing in his own band from 1980-1983 has some of my favorite Jerry moments ever (I know this is a totally subjective statement).

Perhaps I'm too willing to overlook some of the sloppiness that existed, but I chalk that up to the drugs and not a decline in ability.

This is a debate that can go on and on and on....

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Apr 17, 2011 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musical clarity, simplicity, and Garcia's late 60s improvisational style

I've heard plenty of stuff from the early 80's that really turned me on, but they were few and far between. I don't think Jerry had really gone downhill until 1984 or so, but I still find him to be less consistent than he was in the 70's.

I think he had the _capability_ to be a better (read: more interesting/sophisticated, whatever that means) player in 1981 than 1976, but he just seemed to lack the energy to do it so much of the time.

That being said, I would love to be pointed towards those 1981 shows you were impressed with. I'll never completely give up on the 80s, I've just never heard something I wanted to listen to more than a few times.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 17, 2011 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musical clarity, simplicity, and Garcia's late 60s improvisational style

Many of those shows from Europe in 1981, especially 10-12 and 10-19-81. There's also 8-28-81, 12-5-81 and 12-9-81. I could rattle off way too many JGB shows, but I believe both the fall tours of 1981 and 1982 are mostly excellent. Perhaps you are correct in that Jerry's GD energy had gone down but he did seem to rise to the occasion when it came to his own band.

Even after all of my defending the early 80's over the years here, I find myself turning much more frequently to 1972-1975. In fact, I couldn't argue against 1974 having my favorite Jerry jams. So I can so your point of view MC. It's hard to beat the Eyes' solos (think 8-6-74) or Stronger Than Dirt from 8-13-75. I often wonder if the band would have developed differently in 1976 had Jerry not started his opiates habit.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 18, 2011 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musical clarity, simplicity, and Garcia's late 60s improvisational style

Hey BD(2!), just chiming in to say "hey"...it was reading the old post on Jerry's guitar playing (LIA posted link to one you and I spent a long time on a few yrs back) that made we want to say just that ("hey")...funny how long we've been kicking it around here, and you look back at those exchanges and realize "yup, it's really only for the newbies that we continue to expound" (ie, you and I went thru this all in great detail, blah, blah, blah).

Hope you're well.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 18, 2011 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musical clarity, simplicity, and Garcia's late 60s improvisational style

Hey Tell, thanks for the reach out. Cliff & I had some good exchanges back in those days with you always being the voice of reason of course. I felt bad that MC said she felt sorry for you for not liking (or listening to) the 70's, but you cant help liking what you like. Looking back at what I wrote I still stand behind what I said however my Grateful Dead listening has changed quite a bit since those days. I spend most of my time from 72-77 and the rest listening to JGB/GD from 1980-1983. I still do enjoy your 1968 shows from time to time and probably listened to those shows because of your posts!

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Poster: jds121291 Date: Apr 17, 2011 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Musical clarity, simplicity, and Garcia's late 60s improvisational style

hey! hell yeah! an 8-6-74 eyes solo reference. thats only my most talked about musical piece on this forum. i fucking love it.